How Virtual Tours Change What Buyers Notice First

Your first home showing might not be a showing at all. It might be a 3D tour you watch 17 times, a video walkthrough, an aerial clip, or a quick scroll that makes you think you already know the place. We dig into how that shift is changing real estate for buyers and sellers, and what it means for making confident decisions in today’s market.

Joe Skipper (Skipper Realty, Oregon) and Cody Wilhelm (Residential Mortgage) break down why curb appeal still matters, but virtual tours are often the real first impression now. We talk about what buyers can learn online, what they can’t, and why fewer physical showings does not always mean low demand when marketing is strong. Then we get practical: how to check the neighborhood, read parking and traffic patterns, and avoid falling so hard for the house that you forget to evaluate the street.

We also cover the newer traps, including AI-enhanced photos, heavy editing, and virtual staging that can make a home feel brighter or cleaner than reality. We explain why 3D walkthroughs can give a more honest sense of light and layout, and why smell and overall vibe still require an in-person visit. Finally, we share a negotiation-saving reminder that too many buyers learn the hard way: assume you’re being recorded during showings, from Ring doorbells to interior cameras, and keep your reactions from becoming the seller’s leverage.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Venture with Joe and Cody. That's Cody Wilhelm with Residential Mortgage. Over to my left when I'm looking at my screen, probably to my right, I think. Um, but I'm Joe Skipper, owner of Skipper Realty broker by ASPR Realty here in Oregon. Um that is a mouthful, and I actually said it right for the first time in a while, so that's good. Things are going good today. It's sunny, it's warm, it's nice. So bring it on.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

What's up, although I did I did see it's supposed to rain here soon. Really? Um well don't know. Don't don't maybe don't look at your weather appearance.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Oh no, okay. Yeah, I don't want to see it. I don't want to see it. Oh, what is new? Uh nothing, man. Just uh living the dream here. Uh got back from a big vacation in Bend. That was a lot of fun. Uh we got weekend, the last weekend of

Welcome And Life Updates

SPEAKER_01 0:48

sports for I would say two months. Oh, that's normally Rory Gut plays baseball, which goes into the end of June into July. So we normally have one month of no sports before football starts. To this time, he's in lacrosse. His last tournament is this weekend, and then that's it. Core's got last basketball game. So we actually have two months before we have to do anything with uh sports.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

That's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Yes, it is. That's a nice little break. Let me see. Can I don't know? Can you see my screen? Yeah, you can. Okay. I can see yeah, well, I can show you this. Yeah, I know. I want to I want to show you this. Uh this is the new design that I made for uh the Wildcats hat, and I need your opinion on it. Honest Cody opinion.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Okay. Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

What do we think?

SPEAKER_00 1:35

I like it. I like it. It's you know, you know why I think it's gonna be a popular one? Why is that? Because there's a lot of hats now I've noticed there's a there's a trend of like just the big bold letters.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

And you know, like for everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

You're gonna love me, and I'm gonna have all of my Oregon State friends hate me for this. You're doing green and yellow? No, like look, this is what I use the as the basis. Oh, yeah. See, that's why I liked it. I used it as the basis

Hat Design Trends And Branding

SPEAKER_01 2:02

for what it was. Like, because I was like, I wanted to get, you know, I I look at a lot of hats and I look at like, you know, trends and what what's trending with hats and what people are wearing. And yeah, um, in Oregon, as much as I'm a duck, I'm a beaver fan, uh, is on the forefront of all the on the forefront of uh fashion in in sports fashion. And so um, so I looked to them in TCU's one, another one that does a really good job. Um, you know, uh, who else? Uh uh who else. Anyways, um, gosh, it's uh uh uh they're green and yellow, uh, but they're uh Baylor? Baylor. Baylor does a good job with that. They do. Yeah. So uh yeah, so anyways, I was looking at hats and like duck hats and uh looking at TCU hats and all that stuff, and that one came up with a black hat, and I was like, okay, I'm gonna use this.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

But it looks good. It looks growing up while you're recreating.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Like I think the hat actually looks good. Uh I do too. Is it black? It's blue. Is it blue and blue? It's the navy blue and white. So it's our colors. But I was like, it actually looks pretty cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

So I mean it it looks it looks good. I was gonna say it looks like a like a college, like what you'd see on a college team, yeah. Or, you know, like even a uh maybe minor league or something to where it's like it's more than just the basics, yeah. And it's not professional, you know, where it's like just the the letters of the state the city or the state.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

And this one's kind of universal. I've I've noticed that a lot of people like the in our town like the universal one where you can wear it for high school, you can wear it for the kids' sports because they're all kind of Wilsonville Wildcats, and so it's like you know, I think having the cats is kind of cool on there. So that's my next endeavor. Um I also need black of these with white, and then there's like a spring, like a light, it's like a light blue, light green. That's like a spring color, summer color that I want to get. Okay. Anyways, that's going on, man. That's what that's what that's what we're doing. I don't know how I got into the hats thing, but um that's where I'm at.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

So while we're on the hats thing, okay. I have a I have a small I have small dome. You do. And uh I do. I didn't know that. I do, yeah. It's so hats are tough for me. Like I can't just wear your everyday hat because some of them look way too big on me. And I love wearing hats, but it's so hard for me to find one that actually fits well. Yeah, when I do find one, I feel like I wear it too much because it fits me well. And I have a bunch of hats, but I feel like only half of them fit me well. So I have to like I'm like in between a like a child's head size and an adult's head size. Yeah. So like I don't know, it makes it tough. It's a it's a challenge. It really is.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Yeah, I obviously, as you know, I wear a lot of hats. And I uh my issue is the shirts, t-shirts.

Fit Problems With Hats And Tees

SPEAKER_01 4:46

I either like I'm like a Marge. I'm like medium looks like I'm like it's sucking to every negative part of my body. Uh large looks like I'm wearing my dad's shirt. Like, and I'm just like just swimming in it. So it's like I I it's so hard for me to find like a normal size shirt that's in between a medium and a large. So I'm a Marge.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

It is tough. I I'm I'm I'm right around there too. I feel like a large fits me normally better, but there are some larges where it's like the sleeves are all the way down to your elbow. You're like what is going on past your pockets. I'm like, this is a large, this is huge.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

And also like I think the kids, like going with trends, you know, like yeah, I just want a t-shirt. Like, but then you know, I look I noticed Rory and stuff, they're okay with like the baggier, you know, neck thing and the you know, just different styles and stuff, and it's not what I like, you know. Um also if I had a six-pack, it may not be that big of a deal. Like it's just I have like the protective layer over my six-pack, so it's like, you know, uh have to add a little bit more shirt material. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Well, and I feel like we are also looking at it from a perspective of like, I'm probably gonna have this shirt for years to come. The kids are like, I'm gonna have this shirt until like two days and then I yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

Exactly. Mine's like, this sh this has to last me uh at least a year.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Yeah. Uh okay, on that note, and then we can move change topics if you want to. Um, do you does your wife buy you clothes?

SPEAKER_01 6:10

No.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

No.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

No. Does your wife buy you clothes? Yeah, you you had a look of like you're like, oh, look on I can't tell you the last time I bought clothes.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

Oh, really? She just shows up with stuff. Well, like shorts and pants, usually. Yeah. I have those for years and years and years. Yeah, that's that's but yeah, like yeah, every once in a while she'll just show up and she's like, Hey, I thought you'd like this. And then before I know it, I'm yeah, she's she apparently she either knows my style or I don't have a style, so I just wear whatever she buys, and that becomes my style. Like exactly. Like that's what she wants you to look like.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

You're like a doll she gets to dress up.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

She'll be like, Oh, that one's too small for you. I'll get you a different one. Here you go.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

Well that's interesting. I think in a way that would be me, but I think because I'm so particular on the size, it's like you she couldn't. Because if she bought me a large, it'd be too big. If she bought me a medium, it'd be too small. And then it's like, take it back. And you know, so it's not necessarily style, it's just like it, I'm just it, it just doesn't fit. Like it, you know, I can it's very rare for me to find things that fit comfortably. Generally, they are very expensive because that oddly, ironically, is the stuff that does fit well, is the stuff that you can't just buy in bulk. Like, yeah, how does though I hate it, but uh yeah, so um, yeah, I just got these little they're I think it's like fresh clean tees or something, like online type of stuff. Like I get those because they can actually fit pretty well.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

So um yeah, they they look like the comfy ones that like they yeah, they're a little stretchy, but they're kind of snug too.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:43

So a little thicker, but not thick, like old school thick. No, they're gonna balance. I've learned that with shirts, especially too. Like there's good shirts and there's just normal, average, oh yeah, cheap shirts. Absolutely. And a good shirt does feel and fit really well.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

We are so old. But uh, yeah, like a good shirt is a good t-shirt is. I agree with you 100%, but it's totally funny because Rory would be like looking at us and your kid would be looking at us like you guys are idiots. Um, but they had uh Rory had uh is interested. Are you back with us? Uh Rory like he likes those uh the material of like let's say like Harley Davidson, you know, those like when you go to a tourist thing or you go to uh Sun Bon, I I forgot what it was. Uh those like material like almost older material, like he's liking these t-shirts, like with older logo, like the kind of faded logos and all that stuff. Like um, we got one, gosh, what was it? One of the touristy places in Palm Springs. Like he wears it all the time. He's like, I love this one. And it was like something that we would as kids we'd be like, that's like an old person's t-shirt. But yeah, but whatever. Yeah. Then now you now you just have to be a cool 13-year-old to to wear it. So yeah. Um crazy shirts. Is that what it's called? Crazy shirts or crazy, is that what it was? Crazy shirt? No, dang it. I can't think of it. Uh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, really? Okay. All right, like at least like mine was like Billabong, Quicksilver, you know, all that sort of stuff. And I still probably have some of those. Yeah, Stacey. Rusty. Was it Rusty? Yeah. Like um, well, let's get to work, okay? Will will you? We talked on our uh live stream about um buyers. We were talking about kind of technology and buyers and kind of seeing homes uh before they see the home, you know, with our technology now. So we wanted to kind of go over, I'll go over what we talked about, but then kind of go over some things for buyers to uh either acknowledge or be aware of with this new uh environment we're in in the real estate world. As technology develops, real estate technology develops, home showings develop, everything kind of changes and things that might seem common sense to you on the surface, or when you hear it from us, you'll be like, oh, I didn't think about that until they just said that. So there's some new technology and things that are altering the way that people view things literally and figuratively. So yeah, we were talking about we I think that the first showings, it used to be curb appeal, and curb

Virtual Tours As The First Showing

SPEAKER_01 10:11

appeal still is a big deal because when people pull up, that's that physical emotional, like, ah, like I like this house. It it looks good, it's clean. Um, having said that, I think that as the generations get younger and younger, they're going to video. Like they're looking at the 3D tours. 3D tours are necessary now as agents, just if you are an agent listening, you cannot not do that. Um, the aerial tours, the video tours, the TikTok videos, all that stuff, they're using as their first showing and maybe their second showing before they actually get involved uh in physically seeing the home. I think that's a trend that's gonna continue. And I think it's gonna get uh more and more that way as our generation who likes to kind of physically be in it, see it a first before you know anything uh goes away. And the younger kids are gonna come in and say, I've seen it online 17 times. I know the house like the back of my hand because I've toured it online, you know, a billion times. Let me just go confirm that I love this house. So yeah, just an interesting time. Um, I don't have much to say about that, but maybe to sellers that are that are anxious about showings and that, hey, why isn't my house getting showings? Why isn't my house, you know, getting people asking to go see it? I do think there's a lot of people that are, you know, because our buyers and your buyers, like they they tell me, like I've seen it online. I've seen I've been through the house. I've looked at the carpet, I've looked at, you know, the kitchen cabinets, I've looked at the countertops to I've seen the damage on the in the living room wall. Like, you know, they're they're those these tours can show you the entire home online before you have to go to it. So I I tell my sellers, like, you may not be seeing a lot of showings. That doesn't mean it's not being shown, especially if you have a good marketing plan and marketing to get it online to the most people, because that's I think where the first, second, third showings are. I don't know your thoughts on that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, for sure. To the next up the stairs. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go confirm everything. Yeah, for sure. What were you saying? You would uh mentioned uh talking about that, like on that topic. What were we what were we going off of? Oh yeah. Yes, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's it's funny, like we've I I think we've talked about this before. Is it's interesting how you're making the biggest purchase of your life and it takes the least amount of time. Like I feel like a car sale goes takes longer to buy a car than in and wanting the car and the nice things in the car and whatever than it does a house. You're in a half hour in the for a house, you're maybe two hours in the inspection, then you move in a house. Like it's you know, you you don't spend a lot of time in the home. Having said that, I do think a lot of our buyers um do a lot of research, and I think it's great, and it's maybe like getting into the tips for buyers nowadays is like enjoy the tour on online, love the home, like the home, whatever you want. That's totally great. I do think you have to see it from your your points is like you have to see the neighbors, you have to see what if they're parking, you know, their semi-truck right in front of your house every day because they have to, and it's there's no HOA that's prevents it. There's so many things. Maybe your neighbor is a nude sunbather in the front yard and you've got kids. Like you don't know until you know. And so things like going by during the showing, see the curb appeal, see the neighborhood, don't just drive to the house, drive around the neighborhood, see the different homes, see what how well they're maintained, drive different times of the night, like day and night, like see if there's more traffic, see if there's, you know, because generally people come home from work, so there may be more cars parked on the side, maybe there's cars, you know, just kind of a getting a feel for what life will be like, then as best you can, not just the house,

Neighborhood Reality Checks For Buyers

SPEAKER_01 13:41

like you said, you can get focused in on. I love this home, but you may not notice the uh the the park nearby that has like significant drug issues or whatever it may be that you didn't realize because you were so focused on the home. So my buyers do that a lot, and I'm thankful for that. Um, but it is definitely something in now in with technology nowadays is to kind of you have to kind of get a feel for the on the ground. There can only be so much you can do, even with Google Maps, is like, okay, well, I drove around on Google Maps and saw it and you know, saw the neighborhood, but you just don't know until you get a feel uh for the area. Um and neighbors, you know, like you said, like the the junk on the the car that's sitting on its on blocks in the front yard, you know, that's next door that you didn't see in the pictures, uh oddly enough, and you didn't see it uh when you were doing your virtual tour of the house. So um on that note, go ahead. Or sure. You never know. Yeah, yeah. It's surprisingly focused on the house. Surprisingly, m majority, yes, they do ask, and there's people that I suggest, like, hey, drive around, see what, you know, see what you think during different parts of the day. But yeah, you're right. Surprisingly, you don't see it as much. It's not a standard thing, uh, you know, where it should be. Like maybe just a standard what do you think of here? What do you think? And agents are restricted of what they're allowed to say and not allowed to say to not to avoid steering clients away or to something. Uh having said that, they can give you kind of a guidance on how to find out yourself or find out, you know, how to do that. So yeah, it's surprising. Like, I think how few I do have clients though that like they'll walk up to the neighbors, like knock on the neighbor's door and be like, hey, what's going on? Or they'll see them out getting in their car as we're as we're doing the showing and go take a go talk to them, which is great. That's a great way to do it is to find out what the community is like, what the neighborhood's like, um, who your neighbor is. That's so shocking to me. We're so thankful to be by any good neighbors, but we've had like nightmare stories from friends that are like our neighbor's nightmare. Like, like it just ruins the whole vibe of your home, of your experience. And I just think that's I don't know, we've been very lucky to be a to be uh to never have to had that issue, but um people that do. Yeah, yeah. That's good. Keep themselves, yeah, for sure. You're not besties, but you're not like enemies.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

It's good. Yeah. And I think most people are good. It's just like those nightmare ones that are terrible. Um, but on the technology note, on that note of of getting a vibe for the community, uh, one of the suggestions that we had and we've talked about is uh doing be careful of the AI that's involved in advertising now and uh staging and lighting and everything. Everyone, you know, should have professional photography and things, but when you go through these places, you'll see a difference. So if you look at photos of a home, professional photos, you're gonna see a different look of a house, like lightness, brightness, all that editing that goes into a photo. However, one thing they have a they struggle with right now is the 3D walkthroughs are much different. You get a more natural sense of what the the temperature of the house is, if that makes sense. Like whether it's bright in this room, whether this hallway's a little darker than what it shows on on the pictures. So just being aware, I guess, in general, that AI

AI Editing Versus What You’ll Feel

SPEAKER_01 16:49

is changing the game of how agents market homes in a in a good way. But I think what it can lead to is some disappointment when you're uh seeing everything online and then going in and being like, that is not the house. Like this is like what they did with the house is not the case. So being careful as a buyer of the new technology of how things are marketed and not getting so wrapped up, like kind of set your bar a little lower than what you're seeing online so that you're not shocked to be like, oh, it's not perfect, because no house is perfect. But the the in and credit to photographers and videographers and agents, but they're trying to put their best foot forward and trying to put the best look of the house forward. But be careful with AI and editing that you know, we've had lately a few people be like, that's not what it looks like online. Like we were super pumped and then, you know, did not see that. Also, you mentioned smell. Be careful. You can't smell anything. Everything could look pretty, but when you walk in and it's like, well, they had 45 dogs and you know, 65 cats. Like that's gonna change the whole look of the house. So there's always gonna be a physicality to kind of seeing these places, but um, the technology is uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I prefer to stay neutral. I tend to stay neutral because I don't have it's easy for me to say what I like in a house and what I don't like in a house and what I can put up with. Things that Christine and I, the our latest house that we bought was what most people it was on the market for a while because most people would be like, this is disgusting. It was lived in by fraternity guys, uh, stained carpet, torn up, you know, walls, like that. But Christina and I walked in and we're like, it's perfect because we wanted to remodel it. So you have different goals and you have different things in mind. So I try to stay pretty uh pretty neutral. Like, because I can't I don't want to steer in because I I I have to get to know them and get to know the houses that they start to tend to trend to. And then I can start like kind of giving them some advice, but I try to keep it, it's ultimately their purchase. Even if I hate the house, it's like they may love it. So I stay neutral. However, if they ask me, like, hey,

Agent Neutrality And Repair Perspective

SPEAKER_01 18:46

this, you know, this carpet's super stained, we'd want to replace the carpet. Is that an expensive fix? You know, like those sort of things I can help of like, I know it sucks to look at this right now, this carpet, you know, but relatively carpet's pretty cheap. You can fix it up if that's your big hiccup, um, then maybe we don't, you know, worry as much about that. If it's like, hey, there's leaks in the ceiling, like blah, blah, blah. It's like, yeah, well, we can address that during inspection and do, you know, so I kind of like, because using my like I have the experience of saying I've seen a lot of this stuff and this may not be as big of a deal as you think. Most buyers come in and be like, oh, I can't handle this. And I can kind of be like, if you love the home, this can be fixed pretty relatively easy. If you don't, then that's you know, the other thing. But yeah, so I try to stay neutral, but if they if they have advice and want to, you know, hear, hear if it's gonna be a big deal or not, then I can help out. But for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's like it's always balancing that, you know, as you see more and more homes, you kind of really have to take a conscious step back and say, this is not your house. Like, you know, they might they might like the weird layout or they might like something that I'm like, eh, I would never even I turn right back around, you know. Um, they might be like, oh, this is perfect, you know. So, you know, you really have to take a more conscious kind of effort to just stay neutral, but um, it just makes things a lot easier in the end. But yes, recently, yeah, recently. Yeah, in the neighborhood nearby, um, had some friends that are that were buying uh and saw this place. And I was like, I don't there's a lot, like I we see a lot of houses, and I we I could count on one hand that I'm like, I want this house. And this was one of them. I was like, I was like, maybe I just buy it from out. Maybe I buy it out from under them, like get a lower offer. Like, no, I uh seriously I would never have done that, but it was like that was a time I was like, this is actually a great place for this neighborhood and this thing, and um and they ultimately ended up buying it, which is awesome for them. But um, yeah, there's a few times that I've I'm surprised at how few of times I actually do. Like I'm I see a lot of beautiful homes and a lot of new construction homes and a lot of because we have a 90s style house, it's remodeled, but like still need, you know, like we'll always touching things up as you go, right? Like it's you know um, so yeah, uh, but yeah, we surprisingly don't even new construction, I'm like, it's beautiful, but not interested. Like it's just weird. Yeah. But that's a good thing, probably. So you're not always like grass is always greener, you know. Um with that. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Never, never actually like there's been I've been through like multi-million dollar homes, and there's I don't know, it's odd. Maybe I shut it off in my mind. I'm not like, I gotta have this house. Like, like it this would be an amazing house if I had two million dollars. Like, I just I don't know, maybe there's a contentness with us. Like, I just am even if I had the money, I'd be like, just fix up our own house. Like I think you start to see like what works for kids, and I know we don't have to base our lives on on our kids, but they're so close to the schools, we can walk everywhere, the community's great. It's like, what uh what else are we looking for? I don't, you know, I don't know if I need anything different. So I think there's maybe a piece to that. But yeah, even like multi million dollar homes that we walk through, I'm like, it's beautiful, like it's a great place, but not like what would I do with it? Like, you know, um, so yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um, well uh what else? Oh but finally, like we're already at thirty minutes. So um blabbing away, Cody. Uh I just wanted to say to buyers with technology, assume you're being recorded. I say this to all my buyers, assume you're being recorded when you get to the house. Like at the very least, it's a ring doorbell. At the very most, it's inside, like on their fireplace, in a nanny cam, in a whatever it is. Uh, and it's not to scare buyers. It's just not to, it's not a great negotiating tool when my buyer says I love it and I'll pay whatever they want for it. And then I go to the agent and say, uh, can we get a can we get a deal on this? Like it doesn't really work that well. Uh and for the same reason you can't go in and say this house sucks. I hate it so much, and this is disgusting. And then I go to the agent and say, It's a beautiful home. I we want to make an offer, but it's a little lower than you think, you know. So uh keep that in mind when you go through. It sucks. I just had friends that

Assume You’re Recorded During Showings

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were through there. Uh, we were walking through a house that had recording, and it's so uncomfortable because you you both know it's happening. So you're like, Yeah, this is a nice like fireplace, blah, blah. And you just say totally silent and weird. And then we walk like around the corner, we're like, huh, okay, what do you think? Like you just are like holding your breath, like, that's nice carpet. That's nice, this, like, just type. It's so funny, but it it actually benefits you in the long run. It sucks to walk through the house and not be able to kind of converse about it. Um, but just assume you're being recorded. You're supposed to, they're supposed to say something. And I don't know, uh, I should probably know this, but I I generally say to people that it assume it's being recorded, but um, it just benefits you. I've had clients walk through and I I literally will be like, hey, just so you know, it's probably recording uh in here, the ring doorbell at the very least. I give them my spiel, and they will walk through like a bull in a china shop, like, this is trash. What are they doing with this? Like, this is this like carpet? What are you what how did they live here? I'm like, Well, we're not gonna get this house. Like, because I've also had sellers that are personally offended when they hear some of those things, like on the selling side, that are like, they are so rude. They were, you know, they're they're hearing it and getting to know you as a buyer. And yeah, so interesting. Just be aware of that to the buyers that are out there. I'm almost positive it has to be disclosed. The the ring doesn't, I think like some agents are doing a good job at like basically just putting in there in the description of like, or to agents, like, hey, just assume you're being recorded, or this they have interior recording. Um, the ring's obvious, like, you know, that you see the ring doorbell, you should assume you're being recorded. Um, but some of them are pretty tricky inside, you know, like you it could be a little hidden cam, it could be their computer cam uh that they turn on just to kind of see what's going on. So um I don't know the disclosures. I should know that. Like, um, but like my thought is like it's their house, like they can do what they want in it, but you know, um, I don't know if they have to disclose it as sellers. So yeah, love it. Yeah. So you have to, unless all all participants have to be informed, but um generally legal with exceptions. Seller can legally have video only camera running in common areas like the living room kitchen without needing to post a disclosure sign. Buyers have a lower expectation of privacy in these open communal spaces spaces. Um so yeah. I'll dig it, I'll do a little deeper dive, but yeah. Anyways, man, that's kind of the technology. I don't know where if we made progress on that or not, or we just blabbed away for 30 something minutes, but combo of both. Uh um, well, it's good to talk to you. If you guys haven't already subscribed to Venture with Joe and Cody um and uh listen to our podcast weekly every Friday. And if you don't want to do that, we have a live stream every Thursday on Facebook and YouTube. Um so you can go to our live stream and kind of talk with us then and answer any questions or ask any questions that you have for us. But until next week, man, it's good to talk to you. Okay, see ya.